Before our lds went under, my cousin and I were notorious for coming in with 25+ or - psi. One dive club meeting, the owner tells everyone there will be a $20 visual on all empty tanks. So every time I brought one in, I would crack the valve in front of him just "to make sure". Later on when I started an attempt at setting up a compressor, I set up a fill hose that I now use to transfer extra air from a not so empty tank to the empty one before taking it to the current dive shop.simonbeans wrote:
Due to procrastination on my part, I went back to the west side store to get them filled. To my surprise, the store didn’t want to fill them as they were empty (really? Just out of hydro) and wanted to do another visual inspection, of course for a fee. If it wasn’t that I got a couple of PADI certifications from that store, that the woman owner just warned me about bringing in tanks with very low pressure and the need for another visual.
I have heard a number of different grounds for the leave 500 psi at the end of a dive mantra.
That's the kind of thing that the 500 psi thing was intended for, and I agree with that and other safety margins!ScubaLawyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:06 pmI have heard a number of different grounds for the leave 500 psi at the end of a dive mantra.
The only one I was ever taught that made any sense was regional in nature. It was drilled into me by literally everyone who taught me anything about diving that the reason for surfacing with 500 psi was in case you surfaced and found a kelp bed between you and shore or boat. That 500 psi was for ducking back down 10 feet where the kelp stocks weren’t so thick and making a compass course for home. I used that 500 psi many many times for that exact purpose.
Hey Paul, if you are in Sandy Eggo we don't have much to choose from any longer. The big dawg Ocean Enterprises is a cattle mill operation focused on luxury travel and getting people through all the PADI courses they offer, I wouldn't take a class there if they paid me to do so. San Diego Divers is not much better and has so much tech-repairman bullshit ego I've stopped going there which is a shame because they are the only shop in town that does on-site hydros and O2 cleaning - both of which are a nice service and important to me but the guys are complete assholes there so they loose getting my gold. Then there's Beyond Land Adventures in the Midway area which seems to be ok but they are still young (they bought the Point Loma Sport Chalet compressor and bank for air fills when they went bankrupt so it's a solid unit). I don't have any experience with IB Divers so can't comment on them. I remember a time not so long ago when scuba manufactures would not allow their gear to be sold online, some like AL and SP clearly stated that if you purchased your gear online you lost their support and warranty. This was done to protect the brick and mortar stores... guess the almighty $$$ prevailed and I believe this is the single biggest contributing factor to the demise of the LDS. Now that you can get scuba certified online with PADI (WTF?) and buy yer gear online, I bet soon the dive store will be a thing of the past. Replaced by trucks in parking lots at dive sites pumping air into tanks like at the Casino on Catalina. I hope the coursework goes well for your kids, the water has been epic this year, have you been out with the sharks and turtles at Marine Room/ Devil's Slide this year? El Nino is knocking on our door so get wet while it's still good. -Kevinh2operations wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:51 pmIt is apparent that breed of shop owners of late do not realize they are creating their own demise.
I often stop into local shops as I travel coast to coast and amazed by the attitude and arrogance( maybe ignorance) that I get met with.
I do admit that they have a time coming ahead of them with the boom in e-commerce but more the reason to be friendly, knowledgeable, and courteous.
I recently went into a local shop looking for some black snorkel keepers. I was told by the shop owner that no one makes them in black. That was quite a surprise to me since me and some associates wear them across our watch faces in the old swatch fashion. It's function more than fashion if you going "What" . More interesting was the look on his face when I pointed to the one I had.....
The next closest shop gives a bit of attitude when I take gear in to get serviced trying to push the buying of the latest gear. Hence my joining the forum and the diving into DIY.
Soooo It appears that local shops are becoming more of an outlet for learning? Do they teach basics? or the theory of follow the computer.
Is it truly learning or cattle car cash collecting?
I needed to get my recently turned of age children their C-Cards for an upcoming trip. I spent a lot of time and found a shop 2 hours and 4 shops away that seemed the best due to others I contacted acting like total A Hs. Most interesting was when my 12yoa asked in class if they were going to go over dive tables..... He was told NO they are only referred to for historical purposes. My 13yoa who was in the class with him said to the instructors ( shop owners ) what if your computer dies??? She was told that's why we can sell you an extra computer... REALLY ???????
I will admit that they have been under the sea for several years and were taught basics and tables from the start. The shop owners wife started to yell at me when she found out they had already been diving. More over I think my kids were surprised and put off by the response ; buy a second computer.
Does this same attitude come from the pushing of classes vs dive experience ??? Have you seen, heard, or experienced this? I have over heard the newly crowned divers asking when the next class is so they can obtain their MASTER DIVER ....
So here is the question : what do we do as an industry to correct their misguided behavior? or Do we ?
Thank you for letting me rant as well.
Thank you for sharing of your knowledge on gear and history.
OLD SCHOOL is Still a School !
You are a very fortunate soul.USdiver wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:36 amI am very fortunate that in Southwestern Ohio we have not only a large percentage of vintage equipment divers, but many of us are extroverted gregarious fools, who work at a LDS or two, and have therefore inoculated the LDS in our area so that there are relatively few ignorant dive shop peeps.
I can take my 1950s -1980s manufactured cylinders [steel or aluminum - with eddy current tests] to most of the LDS for air fills. We have provided a vintage equipment table during LDS equipment night functions, to show newbies what diving equipment used to be like, as well as demonstrating its use at local quarries, all with no, or very few, confrontations with scuba police types.
Occasionally, during open water maneuvers, we may encounter a village idiot who proclaims that it is impossible to dive without a BC or some such nonsense, but through a demonstration of our superior buoyancy control skills [diving like harbor seals around the unbeliever] we have succeeded in either embarrassing the dupe or exposed him for the charlatan that is his nature.
Our traveling circus is available to assist you with your LDS issues, all we ask for is quality craft beer and ale in payment.
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