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ScubaPro Pilot

Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 pm

I was out diving this past weekend with one of the most iconic 1970s setups ever: ScubaPro Mk VII, Pilot and R109. The water was 44 F, and the Pilot breaths like nothing else, easy, just so easy.

Such a shame that the best breathing SH was/is such a mechanical trophy wife: high maintenance goes with high performance.

Here are some pics of the regulator. Later this spring, Greg Barlow and I will be diving SP pilots together, others are welcome to bring their pilots and join us.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Thu May 10, 2018 6:08 pm

mine is a converted, and also a breathing gem.....

Such a shame they are out of production and parts support. I really like the Air1 & D-Series......
Bob

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Thu May 10, 2018 7:31 pm

I took the Pilot service course at the factory and if I knew then what I know now I would have swiped the trays full of parts that were piled up at all our workstations.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Fri May 11, 2018 12:08 pm

Fortunately I did swipe those parts! It's been about 20 years since I worked on a pilot, so my memory is a little rusty, but I don't think there's any unique parts that are needed to service one, just o-rings. If I remember correctly the LP seat is an o-ring seal. The only unique part that I can recall is the set screw with the nylon piece on the side to prevent it from turning that secures the demand lever.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Sat May 12, 2018 9:16 pm

The guys who service them Hate the small o ring in them.
Greg Barlowe knows all about them,I did take a course from Scubapro in the 70"s Also,and own 2 Pilots.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:30 pm

I'm considering purchasing a pilot that appears in good condition, but would need to have it serviced before use.
Is there anyone who would have the parts, expertise and be willing to service it?

Also, does it work off the same IP as other ScubaPro second stages? The one I'm considering is just the Pilot second stage without the first stage that I normally see with them. Weren't they called the "honker" first stage?

Thanks, - Steve

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:49 pm

Steve,

You will likely have difficulty in getting a Pilot second stage rebuilt. Parts are getting difficult to source, and due to the manufacturing tolerances, a technician typically had an assortment of parts that were, more or less, handfitted to the individual reg.

The Pilot was paired with either the MK5 or the MK7. Both of which were balanced piston designs. They both utilized the same piston, while the MK7 had the additional sonic unit.

Properly serviced, the Pilot is a great regulator. Due to the servo valve system, there virtually is no cracking effort. Also, like many other pilot valve systems it has a tendency to “stutter” upon inhalation in shallow water.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:47 pm

Thanks Greg,

I think I'd better pass on buying the pilot if I can't get it serviced. I appreciate you passing along that information.

- Steve

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Wed Jan 02, 2019 8:05 pm

Steve,

If you’re interested in a classic Scubapro model that is an excellent diver, and readily serviced, consider a MK5 with the 109 second stage. That reg, and the Swimaster MR12 II, are my two favorite vintage SH models. Both of those regs can be fully serviced using rebuild kits from VDH.

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:07 pm

I second Greg's endorsement of the MK5/109 - love mine (if I can just remember where I put it). No experience with the MRI2 but if Greg says it's a great reg, it must be a great reg.

M
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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Wed Jan 02, 2019 11:23 pm

Wife says the MR12-3 is her favorite, and that I had better not sell any of her 3 remaining ones.
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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:38 pm

I don't usually dive Vintage single hose regs, but when I do it's usually the MK 7 Honker with a 109 second. Great combo! Of course nothing beats the cool factor of my green hose Aquamatic. But that's a whole different vibe. :wink:

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:12 am

swimjim wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:38 pm
I don't usually dive Vintage single hose regs, but when I do it's usually the MK 7 Honker with a 109 second. Great combo! Of course nothing beats the cool factor of my green hose Aquamatic. But that's a whole different vibe. :wink:
I really like that green hose Aquamatic. Hope it still works! :D
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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Sat Jan 05, 2019 3:12 pm

antique diver wrote:
Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:12 am
swimjim wrote:
Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:38 pm
I don't usually dive Vintage single hose regs, but when I do it's usually the MK 7 Honker with a 109 second. Great combo! Of course nothing beats the cool factor of my green hose Aquamatic. But that's a whole different vibe. :wink:
I really like that green hose Aquamatic. Hope it still works! :D
Sure does. I dive it at least once a year just to do it!

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Re: ScubaPro Pilot

Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:45 pm

I pulled my Pilot out of the lds garbage box. It beathes good with just a slight trickle of bubbles leaking from I think the lp oring seal. I grabbed it because it had the option of a left hand hose connection. Before I knew what it was, I was using it as a safety second on my bc hose. Now its in my dresser drawer along with my titan II. I think I'll vacuum pack them to prevent deterioration.

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